tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post2402218940414958368..comments2024-03-28T03:22:24.202-04:00Comments on The Multiverse According to Ben: Is Google Deep Mind Close to Achieving AGI?Benhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12743597120529571571noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-4076360984493797652016-06-11T11:16:21.769-04:002016-06-11T11:16:21.769-04:00this is real next generation technologythis is real next generation technologyGoogle Deepmindhttps://youtu.be/Z_qfkjMkue0noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-28351293657141780112015-12-29T19:24:51.555-05:002015-12-29T19:24:51.555-05:00Reversed Engineering might just be I Ching instead...Reversed Engineering might just be I Ching instead of T Ching. Could be that simple.Lars Lundberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17928569230671345590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-60641213601366740632015-10-23T12:13:47.860-04:002015-10-23T12:13:47.860-04:00Hi Ben,
There is no doubt that DeepMind (together...Hi Ben,<br /><br />There is no doubt that DeepMind (together with others utilizing RL, NN, DL, etc.) is slowly approaching the end of its asymptotic gain. Once the initial euphoria settles the time for the pragmatic assessment comes and one starts to realize the shortcoming of the methodology.<br /><br />The number of low-hanging fruit toy simulations you can perform is getting smaller and smaller. In the end one realizes that there was a problem with the approach that could not have been seen before.<br /><br />Some researchers will admit there were wrong some will never do. At this moment DeepMind (and others utilizing similar approaches) are (will soon) beginning to see a big tall wall waiting for them. In fact it will be not a single wall but many - one after another: scalability (distributed processing and communication limits), extremely high-dimensional optimizations (contextual pattern matching), sub-symbolic vs symbolic emergence (symbol grounding, perception), RL/probabilistic/logic control mechanism (attention, learning, goal and sub-goal generation), etc., ..., the list could go on and on and on ...<br /><br />There is also no doubt that from all the "ladders to the moon" the OpenCog one is the tallest. However many fundamental assumptions used to design OpenCog might prove to be false and/or impossible to achieve in real world situations (symbolic probabilistic logic, bridging sub-symbolic gap within atom space, glocal-memory implementation, control mechanism, etc.). <br /><br />"500-1000 people -- academics, professional developers, hobbyists -- or more" might or might not be enough. Sometimes one brilliant idea can change everything. At the beginning the quality matters later the brute force could be enough.<br /><br />I wish you guys absolutely the best luck<br /><br />Sincerely<br /><br />M./Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-87313804461972648912015-10-21T22:37:27.359-04:002015-10-21T22:37:27.359-04:00Thanks, Ben. I get a lot out of your straight-forw...Thanks, Ben. I get a lot out of your straight-forward analyses of different AI, cogsci, and philosophical developments. It comes from a unique but well-earned perspective. Good luck with OpenCog, always interested to hear the latest and see demos!Terrennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-86210770834772346772015-10-21T17:48:24.298-04:002015-10-21T17:48:24.298-04:00Good luck - let us know if we can help. Good luck - let us know if we can help. Alison B Lowndesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-61647365208565109042015-10-21T11:07:49.042-04:002015-10-21T11:07:49.042-04:00I was more impressed with Geoffrey Hinton's pr...I was more impressed with Geoffrey Hinton's presentation at the same talk. It seemed to me that his mention of their work regarding "thought vectors", as applied to interactions between vectors of word associations, would be the key. Whatever they have done since joining Google is not being presented. But Hinton is providing more hints than Hassabis of what is going on currently.Jeff https://www.blogger.com/profile/04007388445936882955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-53944759908586344792015-10-21T08:39:12.810-04:002015-10-21T08:39:12.810-04:00Singularity is not near. First computer science ha...Singularity is not near. First computer science has to reverse-engineering-the-brain. That includes a cloud/grid simulation of the brains biological nural networks. That can be done by an invasive brain machine interface and machinlearning. The brains functional architecture is a hierarchical learning system for pattern recognition that is represented in natrual language.mikehttp://www.svegritet.senoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-2330923559411712022015-10-21T08:37:17.676-04:002015-10-21T08:37:17.676-04:00Singularity is not near. First computer science ha...Singularity is not near. First computer science has to reverse-engineering-the-brain. That includes a cloud/grid simulation of the brains biological nural networks. That can be done by an invasive brain machine interface and machinlearning. The brains functional architecture is a hierarchical learning system for pattern recognition that is represented in natrual language.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704073706776778048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-58602830198589895882015-10-21T07:59:59.575-04:002015-10-21T07:59:59.575-04:00Another major contender in these attempts to grab ...Another major contender in these attempts to grab the public's attention for a spotlight on AGI development has got to be the recent push by IBM to present the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watson_(computer)" rel="nofollow"><b>Watson AI</b></a> project as the Next Big Thing. On Tues.6.OCT.2015 there was a special eight-page advertisement in the national edition of the New york Times with "Welcome to the Cognitive Era." Inside the eight pages they kept using the word "Cognitive." I was reading the NYT-on-a-stick at the Starbucks Reserve Roastery and Tasting Room here in Seattle so I could not take the eight pages with me and I had to go to another Starbucks to pick up the eight Watson pages that I have been carrying around with me so as to study what IBM is suddenly doing. On page A13 they list twenty-seven Watson APIs supposedly now available in the year 2015, such as <b>Ce Concept Expansion</b> and <b>Ct Concept Tagging</b>. Since my own <a href="http://ai.neocities.org/AiSteps.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Mentifex AI</b></a> is both theoretically and pragmatically based on the creation of real concepts in a brain-mind, I intend to follow keenly these AGI quasi-frontrunners such as <b>Deep Mind</b> and <b>IBM Watson</b> to see who is really and truly closing in on the AGI success story.Mentifexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04530921525903314824noreply@blogger.com