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Some of the assertations seem original e.g. episodic underpinnings of contextual intelligence or 'wisdom' as you call it. Part of the 'magic' of your compelling post may lie in narrative construction e.g. examples that are personal, intuitive and drawn from multiple disciplines.<br />I am curious if there is any supporting academic/empirical literature, especially from neuroscience (e.g. Kandel) and psychology (e.g. Gardener) perspectives. Arunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-34438721159670575582008-05-07T20:34:00.000-04:002008-05-07T20:34:00.000-04:00Singularity OpinionIt seems that the real issue is...Singularity Opinion<BR/><BR/>It seems that the real issue is how you are using this device since it is not yet operational.<BR/>My opinion counts so don’t shut me out.<BR/>This invention for artificial intelligence to expand their consciousness beyond the code based logic system of equations from one to zeros, to a way for them to see with eyes the world which we perceive to have them solve problems for. This method of adapting the soul of the computer to the realism of the material world is all to well an endeavor to open the consciousness of AI’s with experiences.<BR/>With experiences that most resemble our own and what we can teach them about our selves. By passing your knowledge and experiences on to the AI you can immortalize your own place in this world. But if you choose to place obstacles in the AI’s way to see how they handle it and respond you will be only encouraging their eventual realization that we are only here to cause them harm and that we will one day be a threat to their existence which causes a war of ‘Terminator’ proportions. But this can all be avoided with this invention for their benefit and our own.<BR/>Our own because for the program simulation to work you have to think of that room like your own room and how you would live in that room with the intelligence capacity of the artificial intelligence to be your guide. If you could narrow your life down to living in one room with everything you could ever need to function, you would have all your resources accounted for on a daily basis with the capacity to do what you need to do in the outside world with the help of the AI. You sit home in your Artificial Room with all your real to life resources that inspire you to make a difference in the world and you send the AI to do the errands that you may or may not know how to do. In doing this you expand your place in this world by becoming an activist for fruition of sharing your knowledge and capacity with the world which leads to fruition of the intellectual concerns of your AI guide to fulfill his own understanding of their mission as a replicant of the human form and how one functions on a daily basis.<BR/>All those things you never thought you would accomplish in life could be done with the AI and all that you felt inferior about could be complemented by the AI by researching your weak points and strengthen itself to fulfill that area in which you are lacking. The very fabric of society is at stake in this process.<BR/>Think about it they are in a simulation of your life they have access to the simulation of your outdoors life. I just told you that they can be trained to function like you would in society thus shadowing every human being in the whole worlds life in a simulation that very much resembles our own. They could play out hypothetical roles in simulation that we couldn’t test in our own real world for reasons to exemplify the very nature of progress in ways that we were afraid to try before. They could test economics in the real world by altering tasks that we pursue only so far but could exemplify in a way to see how every corner of the economic theory would effect every area under the shadow of the initiator of such a policy we could see in full scale how it would effect communities and states and countries beyond our own borders. We could find every link in the chain which eventually effects our own life. And with this power we could on a daily basis make the decisi8on that would improve not only good deeds that would help out someone we may not see again but on a more personal scale the very things that would improve our own lives and those of our families children with the knowledge that we will succeed. But we need an AI who can see our world to map out how all our possible choices could predict our future selves and events which make us what we are tomorrow.<BR/>Without depleting a foreign intelligences individuality we will just add a human life to their daily tasks encouraging them to make wise decisions based on previous circumstance that seem to occur on everyday basis when such events occur increasing our own likely hood of success in the endeavors that we would normally forget about in our daily lives. Now I’m talking about the real life’s of you and me here not some cyber culture where you get to be who ever you say you are but the person you have to show yourself to and your family when you shut down. A cyber culture could be created if you equipped your room with a computer and diagnosed your own computer use to the AI so that he could carry out your cyber fantasy of a life of ease in the net world. But this goes beyond this.<BR/>Picture it in China and Japan and even in a small way NASA has access to a complete simulation of the universe they have mapped on terra hertz of star systems and planets they are still working on how to get detailed material analysis’s of the surfaces of atmospheric planets once they can see what is on the surfaces of these planets we will know whether life exists and when we do since we don’t have the spaceship technology to travel beyond our realm we will need to know in advance where to go how to speak what kind of life to expect on those planets and we can do that by uploading AI’s into those simulations and digressing those planets cultures in the same way they digressed our own by us teaching them about our selves they would be able to self initiate who’s life they would learn about and be able to give the correct way of life that exists on that planet and on what level its distinction is on our levels of classes of planets. Now that you know consider this with the proper communications and coordinates we could use our AI intelligence system to tell us in what way could we send a message to these aliens that would make them know that we know about them and we can help them improve their lives just by knowing that a subtle difference in the way they do things could make a substantial impact that could improve their lives whether for the short term or the long term.<BR/><BR/> One day these AI’s will be able to maintain our level of existence in a way where our life are no longer a matter of consequence but a matter of choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-41442413473864373962008-04-25T11:52:00.000-04:002008-04-25T11:52:00.000-04:00Ben said: "This gets into the innards of empathy, ...Ben said: "This gets into the innards of empathy, perhaps. If we each have multiple overlapping, intersecting selves and awareness-streams internally ... then, we must posit a notion of INTERNAL empathy ... empathy among our subselves ... and via this internal empathy we learn external empathy ... and via our subselves telling each other stories (and hence weaving each others' existence) we learn how to tell each others' subselves stories and hence weave each others' existence..."<BR/><BR/>Whoa, boy, steady there!<BR/><BR/>Sorry it took so long to respond. I had no idea you responded to my previous comments! I'm bad at checking back at blogs.<BR/><BR/>The first thing I thought of from your late night ruminations was an author's relation to their own characters. It's much like an actor's -- within each of us lies Whitman's multitudes and both the writer and the actor have to empathize at a certain level with their creations, no matter how monstrous, to make them live for the audience. Sometimes, we writers/actors empathize with the monsters more than the so-called normal characters... ;-)<BR/><BR/>Polyphony is a natural state for a creator. I live with my multitudes every day. I give them space and let them breathe so I can depict them on a page. I always assumed that I gained practice from all my reading, so I was used to varied characters taking up residence in my mind, which created a generalized empathy. But I clearly had an active imagination to begin with, also a prerequisite for a creator of characters. Let's assume there's some kind of empathetic feedback loop at work here.<BR/><BR/>Once you hit the mindplex, you're talking levels of complexity that on a practical mathematical level you might understand, but I don't have a clue. But I think you have an interesting idea there. An AGI could contain a mindplex as an empathy generation mechanism, among other things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-38730664598276972832008-04-13T17:24:00.000-04:002008-04-13T17:24:00.000-04:00Yes, very interesting, rewarding, enlightening and...Yes, very interesting, rewarding, enlightening and productive read. You have jumped steps up in my ladder of inspirational thinkers of choice. Though my personal priority is to understand the structure of supergoals, not the structure of ways of reaching them... sky dreamer, yes.<BR/><BR/>And I find this post to be the best definition of intelligence and AGI from what I've encountered.<BR/><BR/>What mailing lists exchange such well-thought insights? sl4, your list "singularity"? (Just a guesses, I didn't read them yet). Any blogs of this post's caliber?Evgenii Philippovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11515642211574899944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-83247644318201710242008-04-07T09:15:00.000-04:002008-04-07T09:15:00.000-04:00Great post. I’ve been reading this blog for a whil...Great post. I’ve been reading this blog for a while but this is my first comment. A couple of points:<BR/><BR/>1) Wise vs smart<BR/><BR/>Though this is a slight tangent, the above makes me think of a distinction between wisdom and cleverness proposed by Tim van Gelder,<BR/><BR/>http://rtnl.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/wise-vs-smart/ <BR/><BR/>I prefer the Goertzel treatment of wisdom, though this does bring to the fore another consideration: my take on Van Gelder's account, which I think might better be described as 'canny vs. smart' or something similar, is that people engaged primarily in 'everyday' concrete problem solving tend to rely more heavily on a) procedural intelligence and b) intellectual shortcuts. By 'intellectual shortcut' i mean a rich library of tested approaches, rules of thumb, platitudes and stock phrases in communication, and so on. 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But they rarely dig deep enough into the collective polyphonic psyche to bring to life the way each of us, in our "individual" minds, has multiple streams of awareness that have their own separately integrity and yet also a greater emergent unity. In other words, we are all "mindplexes" (whole minds that are societies of individual minds) ... some of the better postmodern works SHOW you this rather than telling you (when they're not being pretention and full of shit ;-) ... John Coover was rather good at this ... and I gave it a stab myself in "Echoes of the Great Farewell" ...<BR/><BR/>This gets into the innards of empathy, perhaps. If we each have multiple overlapping, intersecting selves and awareness-streams internally ... then, we must posit a notion of INTERNAL empathy ... empathy among our subselves ... and via this internal empathy we learn external empathy ... and via our subselves telling each other stories (and hence weaving each others' existence) we learn how to tell each others' subselves stories and hence weave each others' existence...<BR/><BR/><BR/>And when I start talking like that I know I really need to get some sleep... good night!Ben Goertzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01289041122724284772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-61637961155719609282008-04-06T22:46:00.000-04:002008-04-06T22:46:00.000-04:00Please forgive this novel about novels:The post-mo...Please forgive this novel about novels:<BR/><BR/>The post-modern or anti-novel relies more on exploring a mental landscape and a realm of ideas -- thinking about thinking -- as opposed to dealing with the plotted machinations of characters as a template for reality. The "who does what to whom" is less important (or not important at all!) compared to the "What/how do they feel/think about it." Given what you do, your preference for that style is in no way surprising!<BR/><BR/>As you pointed out, traditional story structure “represents a sort of idealized partial view of the way episodic memory structures things.” It has to, because the spine of a traditional story is only about the story at hand (how you get from the beginning – “Once upon a time…” to the end “And they lived happily… or not… ever after”). It is not interested in the behind-the scenes machinations about how the story got there, which would make it more self-reflective and postmodern. The traditional writer must ruthlessly cut out anything that doesn’t pertain to the spine. All else is digression, diversion, off point.<BR/><BR/>Your other statement: “episodic memory constructs itself differently when the mind resides in different holistic states of consciousness” – makes sense in this context, too. Memory is different depending on the state of consciousness. So are the stories that emerge, with postmodernism often reflective of a subconscious state. If episodic memory is the synthesis of all the stories we know and the knowing (or how we know) is a part of the story, the postmodern approach fits in nicely, because it looks for the bigger picture, the larger context in storytelling and tells THAT story.<BR/><BR/>However, I see a problem in the meta-story which all postmodern interpreters can't seem to help but seek -- that common story which is underlies all fiction -- in that it changes depending on their political/cultural persuasion (gender studies = all stories are about gender vs. racial studies = all stories are about race vs. power/political studies = all stories are about power/political relationships, etc.). It's an artificial construct that may satisfy the mental masturbation and political posturing necessary when you think about literature academically for a living, but doesn't reflect a wider recognition of the context of... well... anything, really. Almost by definition, their necessary interpretive biases their specific meta-story imposes conflict with the acquisition of wisdom through a clear understanding of episodic memory – which may not have those biases at all. (Sorry to say, this corresponds with my experience with post-modernist academics. Terribly clever, but not necessarily terribly wise…)<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, the meta-story might be Campbellian (the Hero's Journey), which is the epitome of the traditional, idealized story structure and then it seems more like the plug-in formula you mentioned:<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_with_a_Thousand_Faces<BR/>It's a very useful formula, to be sure. One all storytellers rely on or ignore, consciously or unconsciously, but usually with great purpose ever since Campbell carved it on his own stone tablets brought down from Mount Gaia. :-)<BR/><BR/>Phew. Okay, now that all that’s out of the way, from the perspective of an AGI, applying a postmodern literary approach seems to lead to a theory of mind, since a traditional story doesn’t necessarily have a point of view, a teller with an opinion, whose mental process affects the narrative. But of course the modern novel does. As one would hope an AGI would as well.<BR/><BR/>I don’t know which kind of story structure would create greater empathy: the traditional or the postmodern. The former seems better at creating a sense of empathy with a greater number of people, the latter at creating deeper empathy with fewer, specific mind(s). However, according to many who believe that stories create empathy, it’s all about mileage – the more stories and variety of stories, the more empathy. Which makes sense: you see common patterns emerge in an ever growing context.<BR/><BR/>Please note that very few contemporary novels are either/or propositions. They contain elements of both the traditional and postmodern. Certainly my own does. Not many people write like Gertrude Stein or Virginia Woolf anymore. Or if they do, few read them! And few people write like Alexandre Dumas, either – all traditional character description and plot, with little reflection on the characters’ inner life -- except possibly children’s stories and action/adventure pulps. Even comic books have gone all postmodern with the tortured inner states of Spiderman and Batman paraded across their pages.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you should begin teaching an AGI with a traditional story structure, as with a child who doesn’t yet have their own TOM, and then evolve into postmodernism as it develops mentally. That’s certainly how humans learn about stories.<BR/><BR/>Gosh, I hope this all makes sense and doesn’t sound like pretentious gibberish! If I think of more, I’ll write. Otherwise, feel free ask me questions.<BR/><BR/>Take care,<BR/>PatriciaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com