tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post5573749855093206298..comments2024-03-28T03:22:24.202-04:00Comments on The Multiverse According to Ben: Life Is ComplexicatedBenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12743597120529571571noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-54172360973723786612016-03-21T13:35:53.607-04:002016-03-21T13:35:53.607-04:00pcconroy is correct. "AI" will evolve by...pcconroy is correct. "AI" will evolve by giving humans technological tools to enhance their intelligence period. Now why is that? Intelligence is a function of life and cannot be simulated. Early on critics of AI insisted on that insight. I think the idea comes from the profound pessimism that came out of the middle part of the last century where it seemed mankind needed help from his collective foolishness and the hope was that aliens or computers would save us from ourselves. Systems Analysis worked very well initially and complexity has helped us understand aspects, as was said in this piece, of the natural world. There is also the problem of the murder of metaphysics symbolically accomplished by Wittgenstein. Actually it was a faux execution but that's too much to go into here. My point is that unless we start to work out the meaning of life we aren't going to be able to plumb the depths of complexity because C.P. Snow's two cultures theory still stands though I come out with the opposite conclusion--it is the arts, the humanities that must rise now and bring meaning, somehow, back to the technical and scientific worlds. Science ignores paradox and tries to find little hedges sort of like Ptolemaic astronomy tried to handle new and paradoxical data as measuring instruments matured. Thing is, as the author suggests, you just have the wrong meta-theory and wrong metaphysics. <br /><br />The truth lies in the deep study of paradox which lies in the realm of magic, of Fortean phenomena, of the millions of bits of data or anomalies that science deliberately neglects for ideological reasons and, of course, religion and mysticism. We live in something very much like a multiverse and that we know that we may not know or perceive, obviously, physical phenomena that cannot be measured or perceived. I suggest that readers turn to Abbott's strange little book *Flatland* to begin to perceive the problem we face in truly understanding or not-understanding the world. The age of logical positivism is long gone. Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13952349762495248900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-60928368529659931202016-03-20T15:15:12.782-04:002016-03-20T15:15:12.782-04:00I like this idea.
Every paradigm evolves into ext...I like this idea.<br /><br />Every paradigm evolves into extremes, from which new generations synthesis knowledge and concepts. I agree that complexity theory has it's idealisms, but I recognise that complex systems work via feedback, not simple bottom-up emergence. <br /><br />In this feedback model, top-down influences are essentially Complication enforced upon Complexity. It is a crucial dynamic to include in any model.<br /><br />So perhaps the dichotomy in Complexity Theory, when it emerges, here and now in fact lol, will be this Idealism vs Pragmatism familiar to all dichotomies. Grimeandreasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-34092098941131383052015-10-29T23:32:05.856-04:002015-10-29T23:32:05.856-04:00Ben, what seems to be "complicating" the... Ben, what seems to be "complicating" the issue of complexity is the division between the agent and the environment. Whatever state transitions are taking place inside the evolving agent(s) in question must be fed back into the overall system. Where agents evolve out of discord with the overall system, they evolve into isolation from it, evolving away from self-sustainability. Implied here is that evolutionary self-configuration & self-sustainability are autologous functions of the overall system, this being an objective requirement where the self interpretive and self configurative properties of the system are universal. Unless of course it turns out that you can't make a cup of coffee on Mars, but that would be weird, esp if you couldn't taste it. YYZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01393137516972422536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-68028020438615677662015-08-10T10:00:38.540-04:002015-08-10T10:00:38.540-04:00تحميل برنامج نمبر بوك 2015
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Yes, I think a complexicated system is bey...Danko, <br />Yes, I think a complexicated system is beyond the reach of the "current" human mind.<br /><br />My prediction from Jan 2015, is that it will be easier to enhance human intelligence, via neural implants, neural modem technology, and so forth, than to build AGI. In fact I think humans, artificially enhanced, will become superintelligent before machines.<br />Another idea I have, is that maybe we need to gene edit (via CRISPR/Cas9) humans for SNP's linked to higher IQ, and turn out a batch of 300 IQ geniuses, maybe with networked minds, before we can achieve machine superintelligent.pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-35718687654362601382015-07-10T11:37:39.322-04:002015-07-10T11:37:39.322-04:00Danko,
Yes, I think a complexicated system is bey...Danko, <br />Yes, I think a complexicated system is beyond the reach of the "current" human mind.<br /><br />My prediction from Jan 2015, is that it will be easier to enhance human intelligence, via neural implants, neural modem technology, and so forth, than to build AGI. In fact I think humans, artificially enhanced, will become superintelligent before machines.<br />Another idea I have, is that maybe we need to gene edit (via CRISPR/Cas9) humans for SNP's linked to higher IQ, and turn out a batch of 300 IQ geniuses, maybe with networked minds, before we can achieve machine superintelligent.pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-9569908702158275862015-07-10T11:37:27.081-04:002015-07-10T11:37:27.081-04:00Danko,
Yes, I think a complexicated system is bey...Danko, <br />Yes, I think a complexicated system is beyond the reach of the "current" human mind.<br /><br />My prediction from Jan 2015, is that it will be easier to enhance human intelligence, via neural implants, neural modem technology, and so forth, than to build AGI. In fact I think humans, artificially enhanced, will become superintelligent before machines.<br />Another idea I have, is that maybe we need to gene edit (via CRISPR/Cas9) humans for SNP's linked to higher IQ, and turn out a batch of 300 IQ geniuses, maybe with networked minds, before we can achieve machine superintelligent.pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-60154715823069511762015-07-10T10:29:33.926-04:002015-07-10T10:29:33.926-04:00A very important insight, and very nicely describe...A very important insight, and very nicely described. I think you are right. We have to make efforts towards building complexicated machines. But here is a question: Can human engineers understand something that is complexicated? Can the understanding be sufficiently deep to make an actual progress towards AGI? Or is a complexicated system beyond a reach of a human mind?Danko Nikolichttp://www.danko-nikolic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-65676152471006084462015-07-10T08:47:50.603-04:002015-07-10T08:47:50.603-04:00Universal laws of complexity is what pure math is ...Universal laws of complexity is what pure math is all about. Has always been, the only difference is that we now have computers to simulate it.<br />Reducing real-world complexity, that's empirical science, again nothing new here. Generating frivolous complexity, that's art, also computer-assisted now.<br />In engineering, including AGI, you have to define purpose or fitness values, however abstractly. Complexity here is a cost, not a benefit. <br />Over-complexicating the concept of complexity is grievous violation of Occam's razor :). Boris Kazachenkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04025561850220554347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11168555.post-88490064081771561982015-07-10T07:15:54.266-04:002015-07-10T07:15:54.266-04:00Good one. I tried to think of alternative terminol...Good one. I tried to think of alternative terminology. "Hierarchical complexity" is what came to mind. It doesn't mean exactly the same thing - but it means something useful and good. It is more long-winded - but also more self explanatory. At least, *I* think it is self-explanatory: many of the 20,000 Google hits seem to be using the term a little differently from its most obvious meaning.Tim Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06623536372084468307noreply@blogger.com